Changeset: 111686853
Updated relation names in Wales to use the abbreviation "St." instead of the previous "St"
Closed by Matt Dendle
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Discussion
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Comment from Colin Smale
Hi,
What's the background to this edit? Normal British English usage is to omit the full stop, as the final letter of the abbreviation is also the final letter of the full word, i.e. it is a contraction. -
Comment from Matt Dendle
Hi Colin - thank you for your comments - I did not realise these were contractions.
As for the background - I had noticed, whilst doing some work on relations in Wales, that there is inconsistent use of the full stop in relations with a name containing "St". I thought it would be of value to bring them to some kind of consistency; Here are existing relations in Wales which use the "St." contraction:
St. Harmon (11547860)
St. David's and the Cathedral Close (11175905)
St. Clears (9297751)
St. Thomas (1390183)
St. Nicholas and Bonvilston (11034934)Looks like I chose the wrong one to conform to! I've read that American English favours "St." whilst, as you say, British English favours "St".
Is there value in me making a changeset going the other way? I.e. changing the above relations to "St"?
Thanks for your help!
Matt -
Comment from Colin Smale
Hi Matt,
Welcome to OSM! You just put your foot in one of OSM's termite nests. I fully agree that consistency is worth a lot. However if you put it to the vote (another termite nest) I think there would be as many people supporting "St" as supporting "St.". When it comes down to it, there's no wrong or right, just personal preference. Mine happens to be without the dot, in line with documented BE practice and also slightly more concise, but far be it from me to suggest you reverse these changes.... It's accepted policy to avoid abbreviations in street and place names (i.e. write West instead of W, and Road instead of Road) but "St" is an accepted exception because these days the unabbreviated form is basically never used. If I changed "St Albans" into "Saint Albans" it would take just a few minutes before it was changed back.
Relations (15)
- Old St. Mellons (6229758), v11
- St. Fagans (7582055), v6
- St. Julians (8210428), v6
- St. Georges-super-Ely (11028475), v4
- Welsh St. Donats (11028958), v7
- St. Bride's Major (11031410), v8
- St. Donats (11032210), v5
- St. Athan (11032496), v6
- St. Bride's Minor (11063700), v4
- St. Ishmael (11160541), v4
- St. Dogmaels (11172082), v5
- Marloes and St. Brides (11180002), v12
- St. Mary Out Liberty (11184376), v6
- St. Florence (11186462), v3
- St. Asaph (11299930), v7
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