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The number of lanes makes this a secondary road instead of a tertiary road.
Closed by Black_Diamond
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Discussion
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Comment from impiaaa
To be clear, vehicle capacity alone doesn't determine the class of road. Connectivity is more important. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States/2021_Highway_Classification_Guidance#Classification Though I don't know the specific area well so I can't say for sure whether Tantau is more or less important than Vallco or Pruneridge.
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Comment from Black_Diamond
I would say that it's similar to Vallco and Miller Ave. It has more lanes than Pruneridge. The Apple Park Store at the corner of Pruneridge and Tantau is a popular tourist destination. The east entrance to Apple Park is on Tantau. Apple Park probably has more than 12,000 employees and 14,200 parking spaces (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Park).
Stevens Creek, Lawrence, Wolfe are very busy roads. It's safe to say that employees are using both entrances in large quantities in cars, buses, bicycles and other forms of transportation. The equivalent of a population of a town is entering and exiting the place on many days of the week. I think the traffic was modeled for the area when it was being built, which I believe the city of Cupertino and Apple had to do a study for.
A lot of the traffic from South Tantau is diverted onto Stevens Creek to go onto Lawrence and 280 (see recent turn restriction discussion). It's also frequently used when Wolfe is closed or restricted for construction, like for that big pipe being put in now.
Apple Park is a very large source and destination of traffic. This segment of the road is frequently used.
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Comment from Minh Nguyen
North Tantau did become more important after Pruneridge got truncated to make room for Apple Park. However, I think it might still be affected by the reclassification efforts currently underway across the South Bay. So far, more roads have gotten demoted than promoted, especially in South San José.
As part of this effort, I’m considering demoting Wolfe to secondary, since the segment that’s currently primary isn’t one of the longer-distance arterials like Stevens Creek or El Camino. If that happens, I think it would be a little more reasonable to demote Vallco Parkway, North Tantau, and Pruneridge west of Lawrence to tertiary, though not a slam dunk. Regardless, I agree with keeping these three roads consistent with each other.
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Comment from Black_Diamond
Yeah, demoting Wolfe between Stevens Creek and Homestead seems reasonable. It’s more like Vallco, Homestead and this segment of Tantau. That Wolfe segment seems lesser than Stevens Creek.
Though South Tantau should be more than a residential road, like a tertiary road. This segment of North Tantau seems more significant than South Tantau. I’d also classify this segment to be like a lot like Bollinger, Miller, Moorpark, Campbell and Stelling.
That’s my opinion.
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Comment from Black_Diamond
Also Wolfe is more similar to Homestead.
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Comment from Minh Nguyen
Changeset 144063434 demotes Wolfe between Homestead and Stevens Creek back down to secondary.
I would keep South Tantau as tertiary, given its centerline stripe and right of way at most intersections. So far, I’m seeing tertiary take on a wider range of physical characteristics than before, just as secondary is taking on a wider range of characteristics as we demote primary roads down to secondary.
The main thing informing my idea of demoting Pruneridge west of Lawrence to tertiary was the Homestead–Lawrence–Pruneridge jog, but I don’t know if it’s as common as it used to be.
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