Changeset: 148833830
Grens bebouwde kom Heerlen verbeterd
Closed by JeroenvanderGun
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created_by | JOSM/1.5 (18969 nl) |
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source | PDOK aerial imagery Beeldmateriaal.nl 7,5cm (WMS) latest; https://wegkenmerken.ndw.nu/verkeersborden https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/gmb-2016-41907.html |
Discussion
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Comment from aixbrick
Hello,
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1263883046: Why should on this part of the roundabout apply other maxspeed and traffic rules then the other part? Just because it is in Germany? Are there any traffic signs indicating that on location?
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Comment from JeroenvanderGun
The part of the roundabout within Germany is outside the Dutch built-up area and unlike Avantis there is no German built-up area here. There are no signs for entering/exiting the Dutch built-up area here, but that is irrelevant, because Dutch built-up area signs are invalid under German law (wrong colour). The national border is also in the correct place (verified with government maps); it has no signs here, but signs are irrelevant for national jurisdiction. Hence zone:traffic=NL:urban on the Dutch part and zone:traffic=DE:rural on the German part, both with default speed limits.
Looking at historical maps, it turns out that the road was originally built on the Dutch side of the border, and that the roundabout was inserted later.
Of course this is a theoretical exercise; in practice neither 50 km/h nor 100 km/h is a feasible driving speed on the roundabout.
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Comment from aixbrick
I would agree if there is also a road on German ground connected, but the whole roundabout only connects Dutch roads, so I think it is subject only to Dutch traffic law - even it was built (by permission) partly on German ground.
But I guess that could only be cleared by local authorities.
Ways (1-20 of 30)
- 1
- 2
- 1263883046, v1
- A76 (1263883047), v1
- Bocholtzer Weg (1263883048), v1
- Tienbaan (6744530), v7
- A76 (6744533), v20
- Preutersweg (6744593), v11
- Stevensweg (6744600), v10
- 6744608, v8
- Preutersweg (6744617), v11
- Stevensweg (6744667), v10
- A76 (6744761), v15
- Bocholtzer Weg (22743035), v12
- Stevensweg (103182748), v8
- Stevensweg (206646381), v6
- Stevensweg (206646382), v11
- Tienbaan (206646383), v5
- 206646389, v9
- 226915987, v3
- Preutersweg (375758233), v3
- 462422616, v4
Relations (3)
- Etappe 6 van het Hertoglimburgpad (2776579), v43
- Bus 74: Aachen Hauptbahnhof => Avantis (6989125), v41
- Horbach (40) - Bochholz (NL) (97) (13383373), v4
Nodes (7)
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