Changeset: 27805365
pipeline/marker corrections
Closed by rfuegen
Tags
created_by | JOSM/1.5 (6950 en) |
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source | overpass |
Discussion
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Comment from SomeoneElse
This looks very much like a mechanical edit. Where was it discussed as per http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edit_Policy ?
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Comment from rfuegen
this was a manual update, removing obsolete "man_made=pipeline" tags from nodes that obviously are markers, in accordance to the pipeline wiki page.
each node was checked manually.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
You edited http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:man_made%3Dpipeline&action=history to say "substance" instead of "type". Where was it discussed? How would someone who uses pipeline data from OSM or has a map of pipelines know that they should now be looking for a "substance" instead of "type"?
- Comment from rfuegen
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Comment from SomeoneElse
That appears to be a message from you on the tagging list. It is not "
Either the international, English-language list
or the international, English-language imports list, for fixing of previous imports
or if your edit affects only a small number of countries, the national-language mailing lists, forums, or other standard communication methods for the countries or areas affected by the change" -
Comment from rfuegen
what do you want? I followed the whole proposal process:
1) created a draft
2) open it for discussion on the proposal talk page AND the tagging maliling list. see section 4 of the proposal process wiki page) and read the whole thread, not just my post.
3) the proposal was voted for and approved by 18:4 votes.the global "mechanical edit" process will be initiated after the holiday season is over. is there a law preventing manual edits of tags that have been approved?
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Comment from SomeoneElse
http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edit_Policy is very clear. Discussion should take place on "Either the international, English-language list
or the international, English-language imports list, for fixing of previous imports
or if your edit affects only a small number of countries, the national-language mailing lists, forums, or other standard communication methods for the countries or areas affected by the change".Very few people read the tagging list; even fewer read a proposal page that you've just created. The reason for wider discussion is twofold - (a) so that people who may be affected by your change get a chance to comment on it and (b) so that people know that the change is happening and can change their data extraction or map style accordingly. 22 people voting on a wiki page is a tiny, tiny, percentage of the people who map in OSM.
- Comment from Math1985
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Comment from mcld
2 ways and 13 nodes is not a big edit. For such a small amount of objects, please could @SomeoneElse critique the CONTENT of the changes rather than trying to bring the heavy weight of Mechanical Edits Policy down on it? (I ask this irrespective of whether MEP is pertinent here.) It seems to me that the number of objects is so small that the problem here - if there is indeed a problem of content - is not "mechanical edit" but "armchair edit" (here I'm presuming @rfuegen did not visit all those places!)
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Comment from rfuegen
@mcld I personally surveyed ~1600 markers in the field in my area. therefore I should have some experience to change markers in other countries without causing havoc. actually, using both man_made=pipeline and pipeline=marker on a single node was just wrong and that was the main purpose of the change.
apart from that, if we remove all armchair edits from the database, it would be half empty. -
Comment from rfuegen
@SomeoneElse The proposal wiki page says nothing about consulting the MEP during the proposal process. and it explicitly mentions tagging@openstreetmap.org. quote: "Let people know of your new proposal by sending a mail to the tagging mailing list, not the talk list. "
a discussion on the MEP will be initiated and ITO has been notified https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ITO_Map_ideas#Pipelines_without_a_type.3D.2A_tag
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Comment from mcld
@rfuegen OK, thanks for the info. no complaint from me
Ways (2)
Nodes (13)
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