Changeset: 29527226
Cleanup denotation=cluster objects. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Bryce_C_Nesbitt
Closed by Bryce C Nesbitt
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Comment from aseerel4c26
please describe your algorithm in more detail on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Bryce_C_Nesbitt . Thanks!
What does "Cleanup denotation=cluster objects." mean? Did you just delete that tag combination? Did you only delete it if x? Did you do whatever else? "Cleanup" is not very specific.
E.g. at https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/970994104/history you have just removed the cluster tag although there is no fixme=setā£betterā£denotation (as written on your wiki page).
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Comment from Bryce C Nesbitt
This is a complete removal of denotation=cluster, please see here http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.tagging/22925
There's been much discussion of the cluster value over the last four years, see the mailing list archives.
This was a lot of work, to hand curate and carefully unwind the damage done by the initial import and subsequent tagging.
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Comment from aseerel4c26
I think for the next mass edit it would be useful for the overall OSM project, if you could clearly state what you did and why you did it so that not everyone needs to dig through many mailing list posts. In fact that mailinglist navigation is awful, I assume not every OSM mapper is able to read the mails.
I quickly read the mailing list posts and it is still not clear to me:
* Why did you also remove manually set denotation=cluster tags (which were not from "the initial import")? How is that justified? So that tag is effectively forbidden to be used? You were reverting manually done edits by people to which you've got not relation or even agreement from them.
* You write on your wiki page that that tag had a purpose for rendering. Was there some pre-announcement to users of this tag?
* how many people agreed to make that big edit? how many opposed? In your links I only saw about four people writing, IIRC.
* This changeset apparently is too big for achavi and osmhv. Unfortunate... I would like to see where affected objects are (without clicking each node here in the changeset ...). -
Comment from Bryce C Nesbitt
The tag came from user Nop, who used it in his rendering. He no longer does this, in part because the tag is not useful for it. His bot was controversial at the time and was partially reverted. Nop did not wish the cluster tag to be abandoned, but agreed to not oppose the edit.
It was a mistake to introduce cluster in the first place (see the entire heated debate with Nop in the archives), and now it's fixed.
Objects that could be cleaned up per usual mapping standards at the same time were cleaned up.
The DWG (data working group) was notified, in advance, due to the size of the edit and the global nature.
Perhaps you could define the meaning of denotation=cluster, and ask if it has present day value? How would you design that tag today?
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Comment from Bryce C Nesbitt
The policy followed for this edit was: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
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Comment from aseerel4c26
Thank you!
I found a way to see the affected locations: http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/index.html?changeset=29527226&show=1 and for more detail http://tyrasd.github.io/latest-changes/
- Birnenbaum (2161907998), v3
- Eiche (621107219), v4
- Linde (1784158094), v2
- RFV 1 (1628808567), v9
- RFV 10 (1628808572), v8
- RFV 100 (1631981638), v6
- RFV 101 (1631981639), v6
- RFV 102 (1631981657), v6
- RFV 103 (1631981662), v6
- RFV 104 (1631981663), v6
- RFV 105 (1631981670), v6
- RFV 106 (1631981677), v6
- RFV 107 (1631981685), v6
- RFV 108 (1631981694), v6
- RFV 109 (1631981700), v6
- RFV 11 (1628808577), v7
- RFV 110 (1631981706), v6
- RFV 111 (1631981716), v6
- RFV 112 (1631981721), v6
- RFV 113 (1631981726), v6
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