Changeset: 32927268
+RU City
Closed by Batareikin
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Discussion
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Comment from chillly
Why is this transliteration of Kingston upon Hull useful? Please don't add transliterations, transliterate at render time if you need that.
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Comment from Batareikin
In order to fill the obvious gap in your knowledge I am glad to inform you that this IS useful because:
1. Geographical names in foreign languages are normally transcribed into Russian, not transliterated.
2. The rules for transcribing into Russian are often ambiguous and controversial, even from the same language (for example, English).
3. The rules have exceptions.Therefore, the correct Russian spelling of an English toponym cannot be always obtained automatically.
Russian spelling of a foreign toponym is normally double-checked in various sources before submitting to the OSM database (and tagging name:ru).
Only after that the correct spelling can be rendered in various applications for about 160 million Russian speaking people. -
Comment from chillly
To fill the obvious gap in your knowledge, we quote sources used. What are these sources? I wonder what the copyright and / or licensing status of these sources are? Since you don't quote them I can only wonder.
I'm very please Hull will appear on Russian maps, Russians are always welcome there.
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Comment from Batareikin
You doubted usefulness of adding any Russian toponyms at all, and claimed them to be obtained automatically in your first comment, if I understood you well.
So are you worried about the licensing status or correct Russian transcriptions now? -
Comment from chillly
I didn't doubt the usefulness of a name, I doubted the usefulness of transliterations. You claim they are not transliterations, but checked against "various sources". What are these sources and what are these sources copyright and / or license status?
If you claim to use a source it fair for me to ask what that source is. OSM cares a great deal about sources. I depend on surveys as my source. Surveying Hull I have not seen the name in Russian or Ukrainian. That's why I ask.
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Comment from Batareikin
Ну если Вы всё-таки не поняли в чём полезность "транслитерации" (и отличие её от транскрипции), отвечу на родном языке.
Что касается конретно этого английского города, то даже в онлайне источников предостаточно (https://yandex.ru/search/?lr=2&clid=2186618&msid=22897.21761.1439126405.47858&text=%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD-%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BD-%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BB).
Ну если хотите в частности https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q128147Если Вы не видите табличек с названием города на русском и украинском языках, то это совсем не означает что таких названий не существует.
А если интересно как образуются рускоязычные названия, то можно ознакомится с https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%BE-%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F#.D0.9B.D0.B8.D1.82.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B0.D1.82.D1.83.D1.80.D0.B0.
И в частности с литературой из раздела "Литература" вышеуказанной статьи. -
Comment from chillly
Wikipeadia is NOT an acceptable source. It's content can come from any source which may not be acceptable to OSM.
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Comment from Batareikin
Вы вообще внимательно прочитали моё сообщение и поняли его?
А что касаемо что может быть источником для русскоязычных названий, а что нет решаете не вы.
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