Changeset: 38095696
name:ja of places
Closed by etajin
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created_by | JOSM/1.5 (9979 ja) |
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Discussion
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Comment from Wynndale
Keep up the good work. This sort of edit is absolutely the sort of knowledge base that we are trying to build.
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Comment from mavl
Hello, dear contributors.
Do you think that Russian traffic sign has Japanese name? [http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2958972984/history] -
Comment from Deanna Earley
FYI, we don't put transliterated names into osm.
Names in other languages should only ever be entered if that object is truly known by that name, in that language.
Please see this page for more details: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Avoid_transliteration
Deanna, DWG. -
Comment from Wynndale
The idea of special restrictions on any sort of multiple-language names was comprehensively rubbished on the mailing list last year. http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Can-wikidata-links-help-fight-name-inflation-td5846168.html Unfortunately the wiki hasn’t caught up until now.
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Comment from Deanna Earley
As had been said by other members of the DWG, osm is not the place to store transliterations.
A name should only ever be added to osm, if that place actually has that name.
If you want a local transliteration, then the data user can do that itself.
Do not make up translated data just because it looks good.
Map what is on the ground.
Anything else does not belong in osm. -
Comment from SomeoneElse
@Wynndale It wasn't "comprehensively rubbished" - for example, there's been no good answer to "How do we tell real names in use in a place from translations" and "It's not a
reasonable request to ask OSM to store up to 7,000 variants against
45,000,000 names, when most of those objects simply do not have names in
those languages." (quoting myself from https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2015-May/thread.html#73015 there). You've also just edited the wiki to make it look like OSM's view matches yours. Your view may be right or wrong (personally I think it's wrong because I've done the maths), but changing the "evidence" to back up your point of view is somewhat underhand. -
Comment from woodpeck
... and on the rare occasions where you haven't actually observed a sign that carried the name you're adding, please specify your source so that it may be verified.
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Comment from etajin
Japanese names are mainly from Wikipedia:ja, For example, name:ja "ヴォログダ" for the name "Вологда" is based on https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A9%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B0%E3%83%80
If a POI has the name "Вологда", Japanese will call it "ヴォログダ", so when a Japanese find the signal with name:ja "ヴォログダ", he will know it's the signal in the city of Вологда.If you feel it's "too much", I will add name:ja only to major cities, район, область and so on.
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Comment from Deanna Earley
etajin: But it's never going to be labelled (on the ground) as "ヴォログダ", therefore it shouldn't really be tagged as such. The place node/relation maybe, but nothing else.
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