Changeset: 38247099
Reverting 38121203 which contained (possibly inadvertant) changes to https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/130547267/history which is clearly a cave not a cave entrance
Closed by SomeoneElse_Revert
Tags
created_by | reverter;JOSM/1.5 (9963 en_GB) |
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source | n/a |
Discussion
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Comment from RicoZ
The reverted changeset clearly had some errors but I think many of the objects are in fact cave_entrances.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
@RicoZ Indeed, and local mappers will I'm sure pick those up over time.
The solution to "some cave entrances are incorrectly mapped as caves" is not to change ALL caves to cave entrances - that's just differently wrong.
By their very nature (being underground and not visible on aerial imagery) caves and cave entrances aren't really suitable objects for "non-survey-based bulk tag changes" (what the less polite might call "armchair tagfiddling"). People familiar with a particular cave might say that "XYZ as mapped is just the entrance to a cave, not the cave itself, so I'll change it", but people UNfamiliar with an object really shouldn't guess, as it's pretty much impossible to tell without a survey.
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Comment from RicoZ
Thanks, I have started http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/natural%3Dcave and am looking at those places now
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Comment from zstadler
Currently, there is "cave" is not an approved tag.
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I find is strange that the most appropriate approved tag "natural=cave_entrance" was replaced by an tag that was proposed at the time of the change.
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As a result of this change, applicable caves have disappeared from maps
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IMO, it would be appropriate to modify cave_entrance tags if and when an alternative proposal is approved with clearly defined differences. -
Comment from zstadler
The proposed "natural=cave" proposal applies to ways and areas.
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I therefore changed/reverted all "natural=cave" nodes in Israel and Palestine to "natural=cave_entrance". -
Comment from SomeoneElse
@zstadler OSM does not have "approved" tags, If someone has mapped something beyond a "cave entrance" as a "natural=cave" then that's perfectly OK. As noted above, as with any "odd tagging" I'd expect local mappers to check examples near them, as I presume you did on http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/50494749 , so thanks for that.
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Comment from RicoZ
@zstadler: most of the nodes natural=cave should be natural=cave_entrance but not all. It may be that in Israel the data is sufficiently homogenous that you can simply replace it but in other countries I found mappers tagged wine cellars, restaurants and many other objects with nodes of type natural=cave so it needs some manual checking.
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Comment from zstadler
Yes, I'm the original mapper of all recently corrected entries, and they should have been "natural=cave_entrance" in the first place.
@SomeoneElse: The https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process says a proposal can be approved by voting. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/natural%3Dcave says it is in draft status. Therefore, it is not approved yet.
Ways (20)
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- 147511803, v3
- 184218823, v5
- 193120598, v4
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- Charlottenhöhle (163724551), v6
- Heimkehle (80297708), v9
- Himmelreichhöhle (136859050), v4
- Historic Tunnel (222130484), v4
- Klauskirche (146195579), v3
- Räuberhöhle (34410446), v6
- Sataplia Cave (130547267), v3
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- 128165637, v3
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- Boat House Cave (724209688), v3
- Breathless Cave (1691117840), v3
- Callao Cave 1st Chamber (2259683215), v3
- Callao Cave 3rd Chamber (2259683216), v3
- Callao Cave 5th Chamber (2259683217), v3
- Callao Cave 7th Chamber (2259683218), v3
- Callao Cave (594428051), v4
- Cathedral Caves (268730372), v3
- Cave4 (1126783913), v3
- Chorturm (1754032446), v4
- Church Hole (722432189), v4
- City of Caves (539091156), v7
- Cueva Negra (2526902089), v4
- Cueva Pintada (2426938835), v3
- Diamond Caverns (351104762), v5
- El Capitan Cave (3002640257), v3
- Gomukh, Ice Cave (1188283230), v8
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