Changeset: 38797088
Island hiking
Closed by juhanjuku
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created_by | JOSM/1.5 (9979 en) |
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source | Bing |
Discussion
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Comment from austi1996
Hi juhanjuku,
I observed several hiking routes in Iceland which were created by you and which are copies from "Rother Wanderführer". Most routes I visited exist as trail markings, but not with signs or names visible in the field. At least "Hvannagil an der Hvannagil-Schlucht" does not exist as marked trail!
Therefore, I have some questions:
- Do you have a permission from "Rother Bergverlag" to insert the routes into OSM
- Have you checked the routes in the field?
- Is there an agreement to insert routes which are not signed in the field in Iceland?
- Why do you added German names to the routes in Iceland?Greetings,
Daniel -
Comment from juhanjuku
Hi Daniel,
- I do belive I have not violated "Rother Bergverlag" copyright. None of my routes are direct copies from original gps tracks from book. When I plan my vacation hikes, I usually buy Rother red book and make for choosed trips route relations in OSM. I use existing ways in OSM and if possible, make corrections with aerial images (for Iceland are quite good aerials and I checked permission to use them). GPS tracks from book are just for general direction (often they are not very accurate)
- usually I manage hike 5 to 10 prepared hikes during my vacation and those tracks I correct afterwards according my gps track and pictures.
- you are right here, I have not asked agreement. I will contact Rother Bergverlag and when they are not agree, I will remove all Rother routes relations which are not walked trough by me.
- I used German names for routes specifically to guide hikers to buy those great books from Rother
BR
juhanjuku -
Comment from juhanjuku
Just got answer from Rother Bergverlag:
glad to hear you’re a fan of hiking and our guides.
We approve that you refer to our books as source of information for improving OSM.
Just consider the following:
Do not upload our GPS tracks, so that they can be downloaded (e.g. as gpx or kml) by others.And yes, we are interested if you notice mistakes in our tracks or descriptions. In these cases send us an email to: leserzuschrift@rother.de
We are also glad if you send us corrected GPS tracks, but then you must be willing that we use them free of charge and for our own purposes.Wishing you nice hikes!
Kind regards
Florian Tukker
Lektorat und Herstellung
Bergverlag Rother GmbH
Keltenring 17
D-82041 Oberhaching
Tel. (+49) 089 / 60 86 69 - 29
www.rother.de -
Comment from austi1996
Hi,
thanks for your fast answer and the contact to Rother. I understand how you add the ways and routes. This is a valid procedure, but I prefer to check the routes in the field.
However, I still have to problems withe the Rother routes in OSM:
- The routes can be downloaded as GPX, for example at https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/#route?id=6161058
- The routes are marked and visible in the fiedl. Is there a consensus in the Icelandic OSM community to add such virtual routes?
Greetings,
Daniel -
Comment from juhanjuku
- yes, OSM routes can be downloaded, but they are not copies from Rother originals. I newer copy original routes to OSM
- Rother original routes are recorded with gps by authors of book. They are not virtual.
juhanjuku
Ways (11)
- Hvannagil (412813135), v1
- Raftagil (412813139), v1
- Raftagil (412813144), v1
- 412813149, v1
- 412813151, v1
- 412813155, v1
- 412813160, v1
- 412813163, v1
- Hvannagil (108919674), v2
- Raftagil (108919678), v2
- 64845772, v3
Relations (1)
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