Changeset: 39812846
UK, north England. Changed sport=football where it could be dertermined. Mostly soccer. Added some tennis and netball courts.
Closed by Warin61
Tags
created_by | JOSM/1.5 (10161 en) |
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source | Bing |
Discussion
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Comment from chillly
Is this a mech edit?
Association football in the UK is NOT soccer, it is football, and yes I'm sure you're going to quote the wiki at me, but it is NOT soccer in British English.
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Comment from Warin61
No, fully manual. I have found some to be tennis/netball/basketball courts. One was both rugby and soccer. Where I could not identify what sport was/is played there I left a fixme. Each and every pitch has been looked at using my eyes using Bing imagery. I have missed some! What do you expect of a human :)
"Football" means different things in different parts of the world. Most people in OSM use 'soccer' - look at taginfo for the rates of use. It is a clear value that cannot be confused with a 'generic' term like 'football'. -
Comment from Warin61
A dictionary def of football has 'chiefly';
soccer - British English
Austrailain Rules - Australia WA, SA,Vic and Tasmania
Rugby League - Australia Qld., NSW
Rugby League or Rugby Union - Australia Qld., NSWI'd put money on Americans using the term 'football' for their own sport, not soccer etc.
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Comment from trigpoint
Although in the case of Rugby we should probably differentiate between Rugby Union and and and .........
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Comment from SomeoneElse
For the record, "soccer" is _not_ the regular British English term for the sport you're trying to tag here, "football" is.
There are however cases where OSM has adopted an americanism (e.g. sidewalk) in order to avoid confusion; that may make sense here (but some prior discussion and a heads-up prior to any edit would make sense).
On a more specific level are you sure about Holmesfield FC's ground is (a) still active and (b) is only used for football? Many community grounds are used for a variety of sports, the pitch markings will change with time, and often other sports are played on a marked football pitch. Holmesfield FC's website and other social accounts seem to have disappeared, and a quick web search finds people commenting on the club no longer being active. Is it now used for football (and if so is there a club associated with it, and what is its name?) or is it just a generic village recreation ground (and again if so, what is its name?), or perhaps has it just been reverted to farmland?
You may ask "how should I know, I'm on the other side of the planet?", but you are the last person editing this object, and you did claim that your edit was not mechanical...
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Comment from SomeoneElse
On further investigation (going through all the tag changes in here), I've reverted this for the reasons described above and in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39953300 . Far more tag changes made things "more wrong" rather than just "differently wrong" or correct" A large number of items do need proper local survey - for example http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/300463574 is presumably misplaced and should incorporate the bowls pitch to the north, but what clubs (of the 3 on site) is the building part of?
The use of an Americanism in place of a Britsh English term "football" can and should be discussed on talk-gb as part of a "mechanical edit" discussion, but more worrying was the removal of "sport" tags from a number of features (including source=survey ones) in the list - see the tag changes in http://osmhv.openstreetmap.de/changeset.jsp?id=39812846 . If you believe that that change was not a mistake, then I'd suggest that it's something that you need to discuss that on talk-gb as well, and with previous mappers of those objects.
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