Changeset: 40051218
Strade provinciali piana di Catania
Closed by fayor
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Comment from luschi
Hi fayor,
why have you changed the "ref=A CT-SR" from Autostrada Catania-Siracusa to "ref=A01"?
There is no "A01" in Italy.
what are you using at source for this change?
Correct ref described in Wikipedia should be "ref=aut.CT-SR", and Mapillary image show also "ref=aut.CT-SR":
https://d1cuyjsrcm0gby.cloudfront.net/Ztqwst1l1NEgoPdq43v5_A/thumb-2048.jpg - Comment from fayor
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Comment from luschi
for me this looks like a not official number from ANAS.
The immage from mapillary is from August 2016 and the pdf from your link is from 2015(only this pdf use A01 for this motorway).
Also is to check, if you have the license to import data from ANAS website to OSM! -
Comment from fayor
Basta una semplice ricerca per verificare che il ref "A01", anche se non riportato nei cartelli, identifica questo tratto autostradale, seppure, ritengo, provvisoriamente. In precedenza il tratto era classificato come NSA339, ma anche in quel periodo il codice non era riportato nei cartelli.
Ecco altri link che si riferiscono all'A01 anche come "ex NSA339": http://www.coisp.it/archivio-completo/finish/191-siracusa/14554-coisp-siracusa-autostrada-catania-siracusa-personale-impiegato-presso-il-distaccamento-di-lentini-problematiche-03-lug-2015
http://www.motorionline.com/traffico/strade-anas/strada/A01/?refresh_ce
http://catania.mobilita.org/2015/11/14/autostrada-catania-siracusa-lanas-comunica-limitazioni-del-traffico/
http://www.siracusatimes.it/per-lavori-anas-limitazioni-al-traffico-sulla-siracusa-catania-e-la-statale-di-augusta/
http://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj3iNi2rezQAhUH0xQKHewKCxAQFgggMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comunediaugusta.it%2Favvisi-dell-urp%2Fdownload%2F1160_0abcd787f13313969d7651718f20aef2&usg=AFQjCNHMIE176ABaXRhZlpR2XfG8qVnBzw&sig2=vN45IyUXaGhNuLyCsKZORw -
Comment from luschi
All these links are from ANAS or using data from ANAS.
OSM use numbers what are on the streetsings and not the numbers what using some site they not can be used as source.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Map_what.27s_on_the_ground
corps.it link is from 2015 and use part of data from ANAS link in your first post.
motorionline.com quote:"Fonti Dati: ANAS e altre fonti istituzionali".
mobilita.org use data(2015) from first ANAS link you posted above.
siracusatimes.it use the same data(2015) from ANAS.
latest link from you is from ANAS from 2015.
Because all you links are from ANAS and from 2015 and the image from Mapillary is from middle 2016, I changed the ref to that from Mapillary: "ref=aut.CT-SC" and "unsigned_ref=A01". -
Comment from SomeoneElse
Hi fayor,
Looking at the changes here, it looks like signage for "aut.CT-SC" definitely appears. Do you have evidence that signage for A01 appears anywhere? Wikipedia (though not directly usable as a source) claims it has no number: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrada_Catania-Siracusa .
A summary of changes so far for info:
http://osm.mapki.com/history/relation.php?id=6192714
If A01 only appears in official documentation then the values as of http://osm.org/browse/changeset/44327582 would seem correct to me.
Best Regards,
Andy Townsend, on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group. -
Comment from fayor
Il numero che identifica quest'autostrada, da indicare in "ref", inizialmente era NSA339; attualmente l'Anas, che gestisce la tratta, nei propri comunicati si riferisce alla Catania-Siracusa con il codice alfanumerico A01, simile a quello delle altre autostrade italiane. "A CT-SR", "Aut. CT-SR" e simili sono solo abbreviazioni del nome dell'autostrada, e in quanto tali non dovrebbero essere indicate nel "ref". Il fatto che sui cartelli non ci sia A01 (come non c'era nemmeno NSA339) è ininfluente, può darsi che in futuro verrà indicato oppure no: in molte strade la sigla identificativa non è nemmeno riportata nei cartelli (o ne è riportata una non aggiornata), ma non per questo è sbagliato inserirlo in mappa.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
The most-used tag for references that you can't use for navigation because they don't appear on signs is "official_ref" http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/official_ref . There's some usage of that further north in Italy (see http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/kSK ). There will always be edge cases (perhaps "everybody knows" that this is the A01) but that would have to be a decision for the Sicilian community.
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Comment from luschi
I dont think that the ref=A01 is correct, because in Italy existing a A1 and this bring a lot of conflicts. A01 and A1 sounds similar because I think not all will say "A zero uno" or "A zero one" The A1 go from Milano down to Napoli. and if there existing a other motorway with a 1, 01 or 001 this allways bring conflicts to people.
I dont know other country they have a A1, A01 or A001, etc. -
Comment from SomeoneElse
So no other evidence for "ref=A01" then? If not, I'll change it to "official_ref" in a bit.
Best Regards,
Andy -
Comment from fayor
Le prove le ho già fornite; in aggiunta è stato pubblicato recentemente anche il grafo stradale Anas a questo indirizzo, dove sono indicati tutti i codici e i nomi delle strade Anas: http://www.sciamlab.com/opendatahub/it/dataset/as_grafo-stradale-anas
Non siamo certo noi a decidere quale codice assegnare alle strade: se l'Anas ha deciso così ci sarà un motivo (A01 è diverso da A1 anche se simile, e comunque il nome "Autostrada Catania-Siracusa" associato evita qualunque rischio di confondersi).
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Comment from SomeoneElse
@fayor I don't see any evidence of signage there :)
Also note that "Creative Commons Attribution 4.0" on its own is not compatible with OSM's ODBL licence. -
Comment from SomeoneElse
In the absence of photographic evidence for A01, or other licence-compatible evidence, I've changed it back to as it was immediately before http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/44335349 . Whether "aut.CT-SC" is really a ref at all is a different issue...
Thanks for everyone's patience,
Best Regards,
Andy
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