Changeset: 40706507
Added Truck Parking Rest Areas
Closed by Rhubarb
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created_by | JOSM/1.5 (10526 en_AU) |
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source | LPI NSW aerial imagery - 2016/07/13 |
Discussion
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Comment from Warin61
This source does not give you;
fee
toilet
drinking water
hgvinformation.
You have also used the name to give a function. As some of these areas have a name (LPI Base Map) there is a problem here.
Another problem .. are these parking areas? that is what the renders are picking up on. OSM says something about one feature = one element.
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Comment from Rhubarb
I drive up and down the Hume Highway a few times a year. I use aerial imagery (in this case LPI NSW from 2016/07/13) to draw the geometry, and my own notes and photos for other details.
In this case, fee, toilet, drinking water, hgv access, and other information was from survey / local knowledge (should've put that in the source field, I know).
For some of the truck parking areas, I did use combined rest area and parking area. At the time I put them in, I wasn't quite sure how to map it. In this case the truck rest area has no toilets or any other reason to have a larger rest area polygon than it's corresponding truck parking area.
Let me know if I've done something wrong so I can learn from it. Or feel free to fix it up. Thanks :-) -
Comment from Rhubarb
* I've given the name to give a function to more identify which area is for cars, and which is for caravans / hgv - as many rest areas here have separate parking areas adjacent to each other. But I can see how this could be in error.
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Comment from Warin61
Three things;
1) HGV/caravan .. this in present OSM terms should be done using the access tags .. IIRC you have hgv=yes .. but nothing banning other things .. so should add access=no to ban everything else. I'd be tempted put this on the road/parking? This should then work for GPS navigation maps.2) the above does not work for a paper map. Maybe there needs to be a 'label' in OSM for this? That could be used to indicate the function 'label=truck parking only' for instance?
3) rest area OSM documentation is poor. I use the service area documentation to get more detail - so I would leave the parking area tagging .. but put the rest area as a single node near the parking area with the toilets=yes/no etc on that. As a single node as I don't know the area that it occupies.
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Comment from Rhubarb
Sorry for the late reply, have been busy.
1) The truck parking areas in most of these rest areas are built for trucks (solid long road, lots of bins, nothing else), however there are no signs restricting access to other vehicles. Cars often use truck parking areas for quick power naps, etc.
2) I've used name=truck parking as it's handy to have, a label tag would be good to have, but I fear it may create more confusing and fragmentation.
Also there are regular signs along the Hume Highway that indicate "Truck Parking" and / or a Truck parking symbol in Xkm. Should this be taken as the name of the parking area, the use of the area, or what is commonly known --> truck parking areas allow any vehicles to park for a rest, but there are no toilets, shelters, or picnic tables.
3) I so agree with poor rest area documentation. I've used rest area polygons for many of these rest areas as they are often enclosed by fences / property boundaries, or have lawns, that can be seen from aerial imagery / LPI base map.I'm starting to think that the more that I try to think through this logically the more confused I get.
I've refined many highway=rest_area geometries to reflect property boundaries in changeset #48963840
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/48963840 -
Comment from Warin61
OK... found a method for the parking areas ... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/More_Parking_Spaces
So on a parking feature add
capacity:long=yes/no/number for long cars or cars with trailerscapacity:hgv=yes/no/number for heavy goods vehicles (long and wide)
capacity:bus=yes/no/number for busses and coaches
and so on.
A problem I have with name=Truck Parking" is that does not tell me if a car/caravan can use it too .. just information for trucks. Bit lacking and may be the wrong information. I would leave it off .. as it should be assumed that any place is open to all unless there is an access tag?
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Comment from Warin61
Hi, some more details for 'truck parking' things..
There is a description tag .. description=truck parking ? Might be better than using the name tag?
The areas that cannot be used by trucks might be better to target with hgv=no .. and then assume all the others are usable by trucks?
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