Changeset: 46134827
Continued adding buildings to Firepool Lock development.
Closed by John Grubb
Tags
created_by | JOSM/1.5 (11526 en_GB) |
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source | Local knowledge, Google Earth, StreetView. |
Discussion
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Comment from wille
Hello John Grubb,
Thanks for your contributions! However we are not allowed to insert data in OSM from Google Earth/Maps/StreetView. The google license doesn't allow it, please use only the mapbox and bing imagery and your local knowledge.
best regards,
wille -
Comment from John Grubb
Cheers, chap...
For clarification; data isn't extracted from GE or StreetView; I just use them as a pictorial reference along with my dashcam footage and GPS fixes. I'm not actually aware of what data there is to extract from GE or SV - it's just photos, after all! Unfortunately, the source field in JOSM doesn't lend itself to lengthy descriptive essays!
I use a friend's drone to take look-down photos of new developments and then georeference them using Global Mapper. Sadly it is now illegal to fly a drone over buildings in the UK so am disinclined to reference it in the Source, even if images were captured before the ban...
JG
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Comment from SomeoneElse
Hi John,
Unfortunately you can't use Google Earth or StreetView even just "as a pictorial reference".
Best Regards,
Andy Townsend, OSM Data Working Group. -
Comment from John Grubb
Blimey! So, for example: browse through StreetView, see a business name has changed since it was mapped, close the browser entirely, at a later time open JOSM, change the name associated with the building and it's a © violation? Who knew...?! Apart from the obvious, who could tell either...?
I'll have to get into the habit of taking more extensive notes and photos when I'm out and about looking at mappy stuff, clearly! That or get a better memory...
JG
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Comment from pnorman
Just don't use Google at all, be it for "a pictorial reference", a "reminder" or anything else related to OSM mapping. It doesn't give you anything you're allowed to use.
Unfortunately, I'm going to have to identify what changesets used Google and undo them.
Paul Norman
For the OSM Data Working Group -
Comment from John Grubb
That's a bind. Oh, well - c'est la vie, I s'pose.
It does raise an interesting question, though - when can something seen be unseen. To get away from the GE issue to avoid blurring: I'm an avid hiker and go off with my map and compass into the wilds to bash some hills regularly. If I were to, say, be stood on a particular hill and note that my OS map indicated the summit was Xm above MSL and then, a few days later, I'm browsing that area in OSM and notice that there is a peak node on that hill's summit but the ele= tag is missing and then add it using the elevation from my map am I violating copyright because I'm adding information shown on an OS map or am I sourcing "local knowledge" because I saw that info a few days previously and it's now knowledge of that location I hold in my head?
It's a conundrum I'm sure has a simple answer but I can't see it myself right now. Sure - there must be a line between seeing info explicitly in documents and that info being converted into "local knowledge" you then have in your head (I mean, the majority of learning is done by reading what others have written, looking at what others have drawn, photographed or otherwise recorded, right?) but where is it and is it clearly defined or fuzzy...?
Hmmmm - interesting. I shall mull it over the w/e, I think.
JG
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Comment from SK53
Straightforward actually: if in doubt don't do it.
For hill elevations there are old out-of-copyright OS maps (and possibly some OS Open Data) or elevation from a GPS with a barometer etc. For business names there may be open data such as Food Hygiene, Companies House etc. The actual problem is not what one individual does, but what the collectivity of OSM contributors do: otherwise we could each copy 1 bit of data from, say OS maps, and acquire 500k. The other side is if we want people to respect OSM's rights we should respect those of others.
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