Changeset: 51631691
Adding detail & USBR 95 route
Closed by Bill Sellin
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Discussion
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Comment from stevea
Bill, I do here and now ask what are your sources for putting in USBR 95 into California. This route isn't even proposed, and/or you may be conflating the ACA's route of a similar name to be a USBR 95 which is not even a Caltrans ballot before AASHTO.
Awaiting your reply, and these data (specifically inclusion of these segments in the route relation) implies you have seen some signage on the ground to mark the route. I don't mind that, but it would be what Caltrans calls PCBR and you could put tag name=PCB in the route relation. But inclusion of these segments in a route relation for USBR 95 as you have with ref=95, nope, nah-ahh, until you source these route data. Thanks, SteveA.
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Comment from Bill Sellin
Hi Steve
You are correct - the USBR 95 has not yet been established by AASHTO, and may never have on street signage in many jurisdictions, but as the pacific coast was mapped as a bike route, and the Adventure Cycling Association version of the route differs, I was trying to clean up the USBR 95 in progress as it gets approval.
My main motivation was to have agencies & cities who use or check the OpenStreetMap for bicycle routes will see this national route crossing their local jurisdictions.
I am one of several Adventure Cycling volunteers working to secure local agency support to CalTrans - to get USBR 85 designated from Oregon to Mexico.
I am new to OpenStreets and probably should tag all this as proposed but I was trying to begin the conversion to USBR 95 and add those endorsed so far: Obviously very premature.
I will cease - but may add 'Proposed USBR 95" where the existing PCR is different.
Thanks for the coaching. -
Comment from stevea
Hi Bill: Yes, again, it is rather subtle and a bit complicated. There is a state of California route called PCBR, which is what OSM is trying to channel with this route. That is different than the ACA route by essentially the same name, which should NOT be entered into OSM, as it is commercial / proprietary to ACA.
Please read our wikis such as https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/United_States/Bicycle_Networks , https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/California/Cycling_Relations and https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Santa_Cruz_County,_California#Cycle_Routes . These will give you perspective, history, and hopefully instructions on how to properly tag approved routes, and how to VERY CAREFULLY tag proposed routes, but there are some high bars to reach before OSM consensus allows those to be entered.
(I got a good chewing out by folks in the Data Working Group about putting proposed USBRs into OSM after my talk in DC, but the waters seem to have smoothed over since then. However, only if we respect the emerged consensus).
Happy to guide, send me an OSM missive any time and I'll answer with my very best.
Thanks, SteveA
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