Changeset: 51705715
these are marked out cyclelanes so must be mapped as such
Closed by aharvey
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Comment from samuelrussell
Except they're not marked cycle lanes
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s153.html
>4) A
"bicycle lane" is a marked lane, or the part of a marked lane:
>(a) beginning at a bicycle lane sign applying to the lane, or a road marking comprising both a white bicycle symbol and the word lane painted in whiteThese lack the word "Lane" or the sign
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Comment from aharvey
There is a solid while painted line separating the traffic from the bike lane and a dotted white painted line separating the bike lane from the curb side parallel parking. These bike lanes have a painted white bike inside the lane which designates them as a bicycle lane. The bike lane can't be a shared_lane as it's not wide enough for vehicles.
I think we should go by the OSM wiki as it provides a globally consistent way of tagging rather than using local/jurisdiction specific legal definition. The wiki says "A bicycle lane...is an inherent part of the road itself" Check. "It has no physical separation from the other lanes except the painting on the road." Check. "Notably, there is no curb between the cycle lane and the road" Check.
The painted bicycle icon in the bike lane is enough, it doesn't need the word lane painted there too to be a bike lane.
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Comment from aharvey
If you'd like to be able to distinguish narrow cycle lanes from wide ones please use the cycleway:lane:width tag as described at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway#Supplementary_details
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Comment from samuelrussell
Can you add this to the wiki? We can use cycleway:lane:bicycle=designated & bicycle:no for legal bicycle lanes, and cycleway:lane:bicycle=yes & bicycle=yes for marked cycle shoulders to represent the legal restrictions that vary between marked shoulders and by the law cycle lanes.
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Comment from samuelrussell
I wish I had the mapping time to go back and measure the widths :) But I'll keep it in mind and find a "meter" rod somewhere on my body for future mapping.
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Comment from aharvey
Sorry I'm not sure what part you feel should be added to the wiki?
You're saying that this isn't a legal (in NSW) cycle lane because it lacks the word "LANE" painted in white next to the white bicycle symbol painted in the bicycle lane? Maybe you want something like bicycle:lane:legal=yes/no? I don't think it needs to meet the NSW legal definition as a cycle lane to be mapped as a cycle lane in OSM when it matches the OSM wiki guidance of what is a cycle lane.
Sorry I find cycleway:lane:bicycle confusing. The cycle infrastructure in question here is designated for bicycle since it has a bicycle symbol painted in the lane.
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Comment from samuelrussell
bicycle:yes means a legal reason to be able to ride
bicycle:designated means a specific legal designationAll lanes are packed:yes. Bus lanes are pav:designated. It matters because you can't legally climb Williams street to park in cbd in lanes 1-2 but are required to use the Australian road rules bicycle lane.
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Comment from aharvey
Hmm I always read http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access as designated meaning it's set aside for that purpose. So a path with has a sign saying pedestrians and bicycles can use it would be foot=designated, bicycle=designated. access=yes I understood as you're allowed to use the way, but there is no signage to explicitly allow it, so a typical footpath would be foot=yes since people on foot a legally allowed to walk on it, but there is no sign setting it aside specifically for pedestrians.
So I think that matches most roads being psv=yes and bus lanes as psv=designated.
In the case of cycle paths/lanes, signs indicating they are for bicycles means bicycle=designated.
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