Changeset: 55089520
Australia, Vic, Buninyong_railway_line with stations. Some bits taged gone:railway where not faintly visable
Closed by Warin61
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created_by | JOSM/1.5 (12712 en) |
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source | Digital Globe Premum |
Discussion
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Comment from mueschel
Hi,
you used the key "gone:railway" for this railway. 'gone' is none of the usual lifecycle prefixes - If the rails have been removed, it should be "railway = razed", see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Demolished_RailwayJan
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Comment from Warin61
I agree 'gone: is not 'usual' - still thinking about it. I used this as a temporary hold for transfer of data to Open Historical Map (I hope).
'railway=razed' may only apply to track, not stations and other railway things. I think it is a poor tag! I would much rather have something like 'gone:' that can be used on other things as well as railway.
As I see it OSM has the following stages of 'decay';
disused: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused:
abandoned: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned:
ruins ... https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ruins I think this should be changed to ruins:There could be the following;
razed: as further along from ruins.
archeological: :) or gone:But for things that are archeological/gone I would think that they would be far better removed from OSM (not 'on the ground') and placed on OHM.
I hope to place these 'gone:' things on OHM soon.
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Comment from mueschel
"razed:" is also quite common: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/razed%3Arailway#values
For these long-gone objects it might indeed be better to remove them completly, but others might disagree.
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Comment from Warin61
"others might disagree" ... Yes .. 'they' will disagree! However if a good alternative is offered (such as OHM) then 'we' might get agreement, at least the vast majority? Fingers crossed.
razed: is not on the wiki .. probably because the vast majority would 'disagree' with it :)
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Comment from Warin61
I have now copied this railway line to OHM .. and it is there nicely.
Sections of this line I have tagged 'ruined:' other sections 'nonexistent:' and the southern platform/station abandoned:
Not firm on the ruined: nor nonexistent: ... see how discussions on the tagging list go. Then I may make a proposal for both tags in the interests of making them the normal ones to use.
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Comment from mueschel
ruins: is used more often than ruined: and nonexistent: is not used anywhere else.
Why not add razed: to the lifecycle prefixes? This should not be a problem, the page is just a plain list of used tags, not proposing any. Used already >>1000 times and would be a good fit, also because xzy=razed is also quite common.
I don't think we need new tags.
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Comment from Warin61
Tags at present;
razed means the same as demolished.
removed means something different from razed, both of these say something about the method used to gain the absence of the feature. Yet the on the ground result is the same - the feature is no longer there. As a mapper I may not be able to determine the method, just the end result. I would like to have a single word that incorporates all these tags in one.
Same thing for the tags was, past and some uses of history .. all trying to indicate the past use of a feature that has been re-purposed.
Note I have added comments on the life cycle discussion page and on the tagging list so there can be a wider discussion and there might be some better ideas than my poor ones.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Lifecycle_prefix
Ways (9)
- former Ballarat - Buninyong line (550340420), v1
- former Buninyong line (550340422), v1
- former Buninyong line (550340424), v1
- former Buninyong line (550340425), v1
- former Buninyong line (550340427), v1
- 134496186, v5
- former Ballarat - Buninyong line (292502880), v4
- former Buninyong line (292502883), v6
- former Buninyong line (505787865), v3
Nodes (5)
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