Changeset: 55279506
Data update around Druskininkai
Closed by kanaris
Tags
created_by | JOSM/1.5 (13265 en_GB) |
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source | ORT10LT (Lithuania) |
Discussion
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Comment from vng_me
Could you explain the reason of your changes here, please? Hamlet is a better tag for this places instead of village.
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Comment from kanaris
No, sorry it is not.
For example, tagging Привалки, Новая Руда, Бершты as a hamlet is ridiculous, if you will not change it back to my version, I will dispute it.hamlet - селение, деревушка
[Cambridge English - Russian Dictionary]
tagging place=hamlet
Любой сельский населённый пункт размером от двух-трёх домашних хозяйств, не подходящий под критерии village
village - деревня
[Cambridge English - Russian Dictionary]
place=village
В регионах с низкой населённостью можно использовать меньшие границы: 40 человек для административного центра и 30 дворов / 100 человек для обычных населённых пунктов.Поречский сельсовет включает 26 населённых пунктов:
Бабино — деревня.
Белое — деревня.
Верхполье — деревня.
Глушнево — деревня.
Годуны — деревня.
Гумнище — деревня.
Дертница — деревня.
Дубинка — деревня.
Заболотье — деревня.
Запурье — деревня.
Лихачи — деревня.
Лосево — деревня.
Маркиши — деревня.
Местечко Поречье — сельский населённый пункт.
Новая Руда — деревня.
Поречье — деревня.
Пересельцы — деревня.
Подбелое — деревня.
Рыбница — деревня.
Салатье — деревня.
Соболяны — деревня.
Соломянка — деревня.
Старая Руда — деревня.
Узбережь — деревня.
Хомуты — деревня.
Чернуха — деревня. -
Comment from vng_me
Well, agree about Привалки and Новая Руда. But other cases are disputable. Calling users @yaugenka and @iWowik to the thread.
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Comment from iWowik
Here are clear rules established by Belorussian community:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Be:Belarus:%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%96%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%9E#.D0.9D.D0.B0.D0.B7.D0.B2.D1.8B_.D0.BD.D0.B0.D1.81.D0.B5.D0.BB.D0.B5.D0.BD.D1.8B.D1.85_.D0.BF.D1.83.D0.BD.D0.BA.D1.82.D0.B0.D1.9E -
Comment from kanaris
Many of these villages officially have less than 100 villagers but more than 30 houses because
people not registered here permanently.
Generally if the place has a church, or school, or allotments, it cannot be tagged as a hamlet.
I would also agree with you some of them [Бабино, Белое, Дубинка, Маркиши, etc.] could be tagged as a hamlets.Подбелое has only 1officially registered permanent inhabitant but there is a big allotments area
Officially registered inhabitants:
Поречский сельсовет 3297
д Бабино 5
д Белое 3
д Верхполье 17
д Глушнево 52
д Годуны 13
д Гумнище 14
д Дертница 16
д Дубинка 7
д Запурье 36 [+allotments]
д Лихачи 115 [+allotments]
д Лосево 481
д Маркиши 5
д Поречье 230
д Новая Руда 113
д Пересельцы 52 [+allotments]
д Подбелое 1 [+allotments]
местечко Поречье 1639
д Рыбница 159
д Салатье 63 [+allotments]
д Соболяны 112
д Старая Руда 92
д Узбережь 39 [+allotments]
д Хомуты 8
д Чернуха 25 [+allotments] -
Comment from kanaris
Clear rules established by Belorussian community does not tell anything at all about how many [approx.] houses or villagers should be in вёска or пасёлак to tag them as a hamlet and this is very confusing. Probably they need further clarification.
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Comment from iWowik
Yes. But these are rules.
And they do not take into account population.
For population we have tag 'population'
These roles are different from rules for mapping another countries (for Example Russia and Ukraine) -
Comment from kanaris
Regarding tag place=city these guidelines saying population should be above 50.000
No figures about hamlets is given. It seems to me you do not get my point. Even OSM is a global project, I know there are different tagging rules in different countries and there is also population tag, which is irrelevent here. -
Comment from LLlypuk82
There is local agreement https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Tag:place%3Dvillage
And as said iWowik there is no differances in Belarus. -
Comment from kanaris
So, at least partially I am right. "В деревне Линово можно пересчитать дома по спутниковому снимку. Их больше 50, поэтому это village". According these rules Привалки, Новая Руда, Бершты and some others should definately be tagged as place=village because they have more than 50 houses.
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Comment from iWowik
No! ;)
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Tag:place%3Dvillage
is local agreement for Russia and it takes into account the number of houses and population to distinguish places and hamlets.
Belorussian agreement do not use houses number nor population. -
Comment from yaugenka
@kanaris, the conventions defined on wiki are a result of discussion and mutual agreement between the project active contributors. They may vary from country to country due to differences in traditions and official rules and hence local conventions should prevail. The conventions are not set in stone but should be observed until it is mutually agreed to change them. If you feel that some convention is not good, you may raise a topic on the forum to dispute it https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=35
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Comment from yaugenka
offtopic: @iwowik, было бы неплохо добавить в табличку курортный поселок. Одна штука у нас имеется.
Ways (3)
Relations (4)
- Шабаны (242980836), v10
- Запурье (242983032), v13
- Бершты (242984545), v11
- Придолгое (242984548), v10
- Орлова Гора (242984550), v9
- Берестовица (242984559), v11
- Стежка (242984577), v9
- Овсянница (242984583), v10
- Липники (242985478), v11
- Зуброво (242985481), v12
- Лозки (242985492), v11
- Куцый Лес (242985495), v8
- Замостяны (242985513), v9
- Новый Двор (242985529), v11
- Савичи (242985531), v11
- Пиловня (242985551), v9
- Ревятичи (242985554), v13
- Кулевцы (242985556), v10
- Якубовичи (242985560), v9
- Голевцы (242985563), v9
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