Changeset: 55979006
delete wheelchair=unknown toilets:wheelchair=unknown and wheelchair_toilet=unknown in Europe
Closed by marc__marc
Tags
created_by | "JOSM/1.5 (13170 fr) |
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description | https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/marc__marc#purge_related_to_wheelchair.3Dunknown |
mechanical | yes |
scope | Europe |
source | wiki |
type | fix |
website | https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:toilets:wheelchair |
Discussion
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Comment from SomeoneElse
There seems to have been a problem with this edit in that it has affected https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/241758144/history which was not touched by wheelmap at all. Where a mapper has explicitly added an "unknown" access value it makes sense to leave it - for example I'll quite often tag a footway as "foot=unknown" if there is definitely a path there but the access status isn't clear (the actual value might be "yes", "no" or "permissive" but without signage it's impossible to say more).
Could you revisit these changes and undo any that do not apply to wheelmap which was the reasoning that you gave at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/marc_marc#purge_related_to_wheelchair.3Dunknown ? Also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/marc_marc#purge_related_to_wheelchair.3Dunknown suggests that you haven't discussed this mechanical edit in the places that you should have done ("Areas affected: World but no world talk done"). May I ask why that was? -
Comment from marc__marc
Hello,
This ae was not a "bug fix only". the wheelmap bug was only the "start point" (and the main "feed") to discover this problem.
For my documentation, you are right. i didnt update it, the current description was the one used at the begging of the German talk. other arguments were added in the discussions (which took place on the mailing, the wiki was used only as documentation of the changeset.) I update it.
For the place where to talk, I also write "talk have been split at the country level." it's not good enough ? we also talk it on tagging.
I add some missing link (talk was not in the ae template, I add it because I found it useful)For the usecase of unknown value for wheelchair, i see no link with your usecase of foot=unknown.
what was the usecase of wheelchair=unknown ? wheelchair isn't related to "signage", you take a wheelchair, this poi is usable alone (wheelchair=yes) or with human help like due to a one-step entrance (wheelchair=limited) or unusable (wheelchair=no).
As stated explicitly on toilets:wheelchair, without any value, the status is already unknown. So what's the usecase that you supposed to have real meaning ? it would be useful to document them in the wiki.I also reply on tagging to get more reviews.
Regards,
Marc -
Comment from SomeoneElse
You've updated the link to better describe the edit - thanks for that.
"wheelchair" is a bit different to other access tags in OSM (with other access tags "yes" normally means "a legal right to", with wheelchair it means "physically accessible").
As previously discussed elsewhere, I'm nervous about the automatic removal of default values like this - it doesn't improve the data at all.
You've made relatively few edits with this account (what I should have said at the start was "welcome to OSM!") and none of them seem to be mapping, just changing one tag to another. What I'd personally suggest is that you do some actual mapping first to get the hang of how OSM's tag/value system works, and see that classifiing things simply isn't as straightforward as you might thing when you come in cold with no domain knowledge. -
Comment from SK53
I've just come across this changeset. The first 3 examples I've looked at included a museum and two universities in the middle of streets. From this I would have thought all the relevant objects could have done with being properly scrutinised.
- Balsham Cricket Pitch (4537779), v9
- 6793956, v7
- 9529438, v7
- Kerkhoflaan (9925604), v5
- Ospedale Policlinico San Martino (13860217), v43
- Mortensrud kunstgress (23643246), v12
- Circomedia (24239202), v10
- Balham Park Surgery (26596785), v6
- Heihoek (27328768), v5
- Piazza del Carmine (27503786), v10
- Piazza della Libertà (28306029), v13
- Midi Bus Stop (30405285), v6
- 34036189, v12
- 34036289, v16
- 34036293, v18
- 34036431, v13
- Cami de Can Rocamora a Can Albinyana (34036461), v13
- 34036463, v12
- 34036472, v9
- Camí de Can Rocamora (34036481), v19
Relations (2)
- Lee (20694299), v10
- Eugenia de Montijo (21722641), v22
- Empalme (21722663), v12
- Casa de Campo (21722667), v12
- Batán (21722670), v12
- Lago (21722690), v18
- El Capricho (21759679), v20
- Colonia Jardín (21759680), v17
- Pirámides (21759723), v21
- Callao (21964104), v25
- Carabanchel Alto (23646367), v8
- Gregorio Marañón (25902689), v23
- Príncipe Pío (25906010), v24
- Plaza de España (25906011), v21
- Guzmán el Bueno (27515687), v19
- Estadio Metropolitano (29797659), v14
- Corsico (30047287), v19
- Yliopiston apteekki (30288480), v8
- Rock House (41006451), v5
- Antonio Machado (60335812), v17
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