Changeset: 58151401
Added website for Pidgie
Closed by squidpickles
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Discussion
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Comment from Adamant1
Hi there. Whats with this Pidgie thing? Is it a home based business or something? If so, I don't think we map for those. Also, the website looks rather not relevant to anything, especially OSM, because it is essentially empty.
Thanks
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Comment from squidpickles
It's a name for a household, which gets used for a number of public events. It's listed as a business in Google Maps, since that's the easiest way to classify it, but it's useful for people to be able to specify "Pidgie" and find it on a map.
The website does not have much public-facing information at the moment, it's true. That should change.
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Comment from Adamant1
Just an fyi, its pretty easy to get fake businesses listed on Google maps. There's a bunch of news stories about it. Also, we don't usually use Google Maps as a reference and if this a house hold, I don't think them having backyard parties or movie nights in their living rooms counts for inclusion.
especially since like I said, we don't map home businesses in the first place. Plus, the website is still blank. Therefore, I am deleting it. Feel free to leave a message on the OSM Forums though asking for more information if you don't agree with me or you can contact the Data Working Group. They are willing to answer questions like this. -
Comment from squidpickles
It's certainly not a "fake home business". Nobody ever said it was a business, just that it's listed on Google Maps that way (by the way, Google reports 180 different requests for directions using "Pidgie").
Lots of households in Berkeley go by names; graduates of the student co-ops often form collective households with names, and that's how they're known in the community.
This house works that way, and is known by that name in the community. Seems like valid criteria for inclusion. But yes, not as a business. -
Comment from Adamant1
Sorry. I didn't mean it as an insult to the nature of the place. It was mostly in respect to it being called a business on Google Maps. Also, as I've already said, Google data isn't something that is a valid source for including things on OSM because of copyright issues. Therefore, if it was being included from my perspective because A. Its on Google maps B. It has 180 Google searches, those are not metrics I am allowed to use in evaluation. Let alone solely rely on. Not to mention search numbers that low can easily be faked.
So other than that, all I have to go on is your word and an empty website. Which I would of been fine with, except the website doesn't even say anything on it. Maybe if it was your word and a flushed out website or at least one with references about the place and a list of events you claim happen there, fine. But its just a picture.
Also, there has been a lot of Pokemon Go hacking lately and to an outside observer this could seem like a rather well setup Pokemon Go ruse to turn the house into a Pokemon Go Gym or something. Especially considering the name Pidgie, which seems like a weird name for a random gathering place, but is pretty close to the name of a Pokemon. Maybe the "gatherings" and "events" taking place are Gym Raids or something? I have no real way of knowing and I'm not accusing you of being dishonest, but it is suspect. You have been pretty vague about what exactly goes on there to and the website is basic enough that anyone could easily register it for $15 and slap a picture on the front page. Not to mention, I've seen similar tactics used in my own area and houses have to have names on them to be included in the game. Otherwise, give more specific details about what kind of events are done there, have the people update the website so it is more professional, and wait until the place is more established at being an anarchist squat pad that has local bands play there on weekends in the basement. I have no problem with it being added on if those things are met and there's a valid justification. Not to mention, you only have six edits and none of the other houses around here are mapped, which is another tell of a Pokemon Go editor, who only maps one thing important to them and then shows up to defend it once in a while when the thing gets taken away.
Also, while I respect the whole local/co-op thing, to me those things are better mentioned in the description or maybe an alt_name tag. Since A. This is a global map and therefore is meant for more widely useful knowledge than that. For example, I wouldn't add a picnic site for my favorite piece of grass at the local park to eat lunch or add the name "Make Out Bench" to where my friends in high school use to skip class and neck at. It has to be an established name beyond my inner circle. B. I know from personal experience of my years couch surfing Anarchist flop pads in the Bay Area and missing many nights of sleep in a buzzed dazed going back and forth from one house show to another in Oakland and the surrounding area as a teen/young adult, that those types of things are extremely transitory, based on the whim of the landlords, and have a tendency to be gone as soon as they are established. Sadly, that is the way of the Anarchist Commune in modern world. temporality is their modus operandi. Which, although part of the draw, does not make for a good map based on semi permanent features. This is not a map of fly by night Anarchist squats. Not that it wouldn't be cool if there was one.
Id love to create a map of my favorite hitching spots along the freeways of California and all the semi hidden grassy areas along those routes that make either good impromptu toilets or post up spots when the thumbing isn't working and darkness is starting to creep in. In the least, it would save me from accidentally resting my head on a former location of a poop spot that I had been to drunk to make proper geographical note of the last time I stumbled through there. Alas though, I realize now that OSM is not the tool for it. So, sadly, I must hang my hobo stick in shame and find another tool than this to keep my hair excrement free during naps on future journeys through the state. Such is life I guess. -
Comment from freebeer
Herr Doktor Ant,
I think you will find that often with time, faecal-free hair becomes less of a problem and by my age, it is frequently no longer a concern whatsoever.
I however have the opposite problem this time of year, where one april week is 30C after being in single digits, after keeping a thick head of alpinist hairs in order keep myself and scavenging rodents warm as I spend a shivery night curled in my excrement through the winter. Yet had I shaved me nut again last week's 30C sun, I'd be even colder last night of single digits. Can't wait for summer to stick around.
To make things worse, it seems osm-carto no longer renders toilets until zoomlevel 18, when they're already in sight, when the nearest to me is some 8km distant.
The nice thing is that the eternal rain of most years induces the slugs to be active, so that by the time I return to my toilet to rest my head, there is no more trace of it, hirsute or baldhead.
A vegetarian diet may help, as the nearby chalky-white doggie-doo remains untouched all winter and spring.
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One primary criterion for OSM is the information be readily verifiable by fellow mappers. This is easy in the case of a business, simply providing a copy of the licence or the tax number required on all transactions. For a public venue, a sample permit needed for each event will identify how the venue is known. Likewise the required fire inspection will give the official designation by which the domicile is known.
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Another criterion is notoriety. That is, it should be easy to find. Even for me. First search results gave me hits of a clothing chain for teen and pre-teen girls, which tells you more about my browsing history than you need to know. Clearing cookies the only result for Berserkeley that is relevant is a google maps scraper.
That would be like accepting Peter Paul Berg near Wien as a valid name when all sources took their data from OSM.
That does not qualify for inclusion here.
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The good thing is that finally the fountains are running again so after a cold night sleeping in my own filth, I can wash it right outta me dreads in the icy cold water; that is, until the farmer's Hausfrau spots me and gives chase brandishing a broom whilst belting Wagner arias. Keeps me fit.
More household tips next changeset, wherein I elucidate upon using buckets of sweat as a paint stripper in the summer months.
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Yours in Solidarity, Comrade. -
Comment from Adamant1
Herr freebeer, Thank you for the lucid inspired response. I was thinking a similar thing about the places lack of qualifications. So it is nice to get confirmation. Poor Pidgie. We never knew thee.
Guten tag, Comrade.
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