Changeset: 61385816
UK: Add skateparks
Closed by Volker Fröhlich
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created_by | JOSM/1.5 (13608 en) |
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source | Digitalglobe; Bing |
Discussion
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Comment from trigpoint
Hi, this edit covers quite a large area. What sources did you use to locate these objects?
Cheers Phil
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Comment from Volker Fröhlich
Hello Phil!
I'm taking random picks from a directory of skateparks and then I try to locate them on aerial photography to verify their existence.
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Comment from Volker Fröhlich
http://www.skateboard.com.au/skateparks/ to be precise
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Comment from trigpoint
That seems to be Australia.
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Comment from Volker Fröhlich
Oh, you can pick countries.
http://www.skateboard.com.au/v2/index.cfm?&action=search&new=1&gcountry=United%20Kingdom
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Comment from trigpoint
Seems to be using Google maps which we must not use.
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Comment from Volker Fröhlich
Well, I'm not tracing data from Google maps there. They just happen to show their coordinates on it.
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Comment from Volker Fröhlich
The eventual source for me is either Bing, Esri or Digitalglobe.
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Comment from trigpoint
My opinion is we must not even use Google maps to even do that.
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Comment from Volker Fröhlich
Frankly, I'm finding it hard to interpret the rules this way.
What if that website provided the coordinates as text or if they were using Bing as a backdrop to show the coordinates on? Would that make it more acceptable?
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Comment from trigpoint
Well you still need explicit permission to use that information, database rights will apply to any collection of facts.
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Comment from Volker Fröhlich
I basically agree on what you are saying, but I'm using this website in the same manual way as everybody else and I am not copying any of their data. They act merely as hints to me. However, if you think that I must ask for permission, I happily will.
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Comment from Volker Fröhlich
I previously scrolled up and down aerial photography in my country, hunting for skateparks, since I have a good idea where they are usually located within a community. The eventual source to validate their existence was a valid one. I'd struggle to explain to anybody why the results of such a brute-force approach would be any more valid.
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Comment from trigpoint
Everything you need to know about copyright is in https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ
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Comment from Volker Fröhlich
Are we still discussing whether it counts as "Google maps" or if I may use the coordinates skateboard.com.au is providing?
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Comment from trigpoint
You cannot get permission for google maps, but you do need permission from the website for their work to be reproduced without restriction.
Personally I find it simpler to map places I have actually been to.
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Comment from trigpoint
You should also be aware ofthe import guidelines
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
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