Changeset: 35747194
Fix border for City of Bristol
Closed by GringoJerry
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created_by | JOSM/1.5 (8800 en) |
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source | Survey |
Discussion
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Comment from Colin Smale
I am reverting this change because it is not correct! The boundary of the City of Bristol includes by law the seaward extension out to Flat/Steep Holm. Please contact me if you have any issue with this!
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Comment from GringoJerry
I changed the boundary of City of Bristol because Flat Holm is under the administration of Cardiff,Steep Holm is under the administration of Weston-super-Mare, and the border of Bristol going along the shoreline make more sense. You can leave the Bristol modification reverted, but this brings back a problem: the boundary of City of Bristol (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/57539) is not fully included inside the boundary of England (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/58447). Anyway, I will modify the boundary of England, in order to have the correct inclusions.
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Comment from Colin Smale
ok but flat holm and steep holm have never been included in the CoB area anyway so I am not sure what you are getting at there... W.r.t. the boundary of England, it is unclear what the authority is for that. The maritime dividing line between England and Wales for environmental purposes such as fisheries (due to devolution) is defined by law, and a small part of the CoB seaward extension is therefore included in Welsh "territorial waters". If you modify the boundary of England, what will you do with the boundary of Wales? From an international perspective the sovereign state for anything that may occur in the "grey area" is the UK, not England or Wales.
When you say a boundary following the coastline makes more sense, I can understand what you mean, but in this case it is factually wrong as the admin boundary is what it is. There is a difference between the semantics of the admin boundary and the coastline: LA jurisdiction normally extends to MLW, whereas the coastline is normally taken as MHW. Certainly around the Bristol Channel area there can be a large difference between the two. You could add a boundary for the "conurbation" of Bristol with something like "place=city" which doesn't need any authority, just the limits of the actual built-up area which could be done from aerial photos or surveys.
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