Changeset: 38531313
reverted sockpuppet edits ciyi, technoprox, lip256009
Closed by 4rch
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Discussion
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Comment from PlaneMad
Noticed this change touched a lot of disputed boundaries and reverted many edits. Were the other edits bad?
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Comment from 4rch
Yes, SomeoneElse is already in touch with this topic: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=588368#p588368
The edits I've reverted covered areas which aren't under control of Morocco. Especially territorial waters of Spain around Melilla and Ceuta and of Western Sahara/Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
Hello,
I'm writing to you on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group. Questions have been raised about the accuracy of the boundaries of Morocco, and I'm sending this message to many of the mappers who have edited in the area or expressed an interest, including you.We're aware that there is disputed territory in the region. Most notably the area covered by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Sahara , and also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta and other areas to the north.
First, it's worth mentioning https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/d/d8/DisputedTerritoriesInformation.pdf . That explains that what matters most to OSM in terms of names, borders and boundaries is the "on the ground" rule. For example, if a majority of the population of an area speaks language "a" then it makes sense for OSM's "name" tag to be in language "a" (though of course other name tags such as name:b, name:c etc. can also be used to make maps in other languages). Similarly, if the people of an area consider themselves to be part of country "a" and country "a" does indeed have control over the area, it makes sense for the area to be part of country "a" (and only country "a") in OSM.
Potential problems in the area covered by the Morocco admin_level 2 relation http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3630439 include:
1) That relation includes not only the part of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Sahara currently administered by Morocco (the part west of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Wall_%28Western_Sahara%29 ), it also includes the part of that territory east of it too. Is this correct? It seems at odds with OSM's "on the ground" rule, and with the UN peacekeepers' position described at http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/missions/minurso/background.shtml .
2) That relation also includes territories administered by Spain such as Ceuta and Melilla. What evidence is there that Morocco controls these territories and that Spain does not?
Another major question, (largely dependant on the answer to (1) above) is:
3) If the area east of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Wall_%28Western_Sahara%29 isn't part of Morocco, what status should it have? http://osm.mapki.com/history/relation.php?id=195838 did represent this territory and had several different admin levels before it was deleted.
The DWG would be grateful for your opinions on these matters. You can either reply here or, if you prefer you can email data@osmfoundation.org directly and we'll read through all the replies.
Best Regards,
Andy Townsend (SomeoneElse) on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
Hello again,
Following on from my "I'm writing to you on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group" comment above, we'd had feedback from lots of OSM mappers in the area. The findings and the changes that will be made are described at
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=606038#p606038 . If you have any further comments you can contact the Data Working Group by email on data@osmfoundation.org
Thanks,
Andy
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