Changeset: 39718319
Paketshops < Witten < Erde
Closed by Reclus
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Discussion
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Comment from nyuriks
Hi, many Deutsche Post have "brand:wikidata", but others use "operator:brand". Should they use the same?
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Comment from Reclus
Hello!
Taginfo doesn't find any "operator:brand".
This article in the OSM wiki suggests using both brand and operator keys.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Deutsche_Postdienstleister
For every operator and brand key I put in an additional :wikidata key, so there will be more structured data in the OSM database in the future.
So, there should be four keys on every post box operated by Deutsche Post. (brand, brand:wikidata, operator and operator:wikidata)
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Comment from nyuriks
OOOPS, sorry, I meant brand:wikidata and operator:wikidata :) There are currently many objects like https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/773508846 - it has wikipedia/wikidata instead of brand:wikidata and operator:wikidata. Can you fix them too? Thanks!
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Comment from nyuriks
P.S. I meant these objects: http://tinyurl.com/y94mwwsg
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Comment from Reclus
These objects are street cabinets operated by Deutsche Post for internal use by Deutsche Post. It doesn't make sense to put brand/brand:wikidata on them IMHO.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man%20made=street%20cabinet
Your tool should be fixed instead.
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Comment from nyuriks
My tool simply shows a search result, just like OverpassTurbo, so hard to fix that :). I agree that it probably doesn't make sense to tag these objects with the brand. Does it make sense to mark them with wikipedia tag?
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Comment from Reclus
No. Please see:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikipedia
"only provide links to articles which are 'about the feature'. A link from St Paul's Cathedral in London to an article about St Paul's Cathedral on Wikipedia is fine. A link from a bus depot to the company that operates it is not (see section below)."
The second level Wikipedia links aren't useful any more. Wikidata tags like operator:wikidata etc. are much better.
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Comment from nyuriks
Reclus, I agree with you 100% ! That's what I meant. We should rename "wikipedia" tag into something else, like "operator:wikipedia" or "brand:wikipedia", etc. And we should add corresponding "operator:wikidata". All these objects need to be fixed: http://tinyurl.com/y94mwwsg
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Comment from nyuriks
And yes, I am not sure if we need wikipedia tags there at all, but other community members keep saying they need them :(
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Comment from Reclus
No, the wikipedia tag (1st level) is well defined and should not be renamed. Please see:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikipedia
For every wikipedia tag there should be a wikidata tag added. And there are people doing this right now. In the future the wikipedia tags might be removed. But not until all software supports that.
operator:wikipedia and brand:wikipedia don't make sense any more and should be replaced by operator:wikidata and brand:wikidata. I don't think any software at all uses operator:wikipedia or brand:wikipedia.
In Witten every feature with a wikipedia tag also has a wikidata tag and operator:wikidata and brand:wikidata tags are widely used. So nothing to do here.
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Comment from nyuriks
I agree with everything about operator:wikidata & brand:wikidata.
The first portion about key:wikipedia -- from the osm wiki: "only provide links to articles which are 'about the feature'. A link from St Paul's Cathedral in London to an article about St Paul's Cathedral on Wikipedia is fine. A link from a bus depot to the company that operates it is not (see section below).".
So I don't think https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3376969992 should have a wikipedia tag, only operator:wikidata or brand:wikidata.
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Comment from Reclus
Yes, that's right. But also brand and operator. (It should have brand, brand:wikidata, operator and operator:wikidata.)
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Comment from nyuriks
Cool, will you be able to fix it? There is a lot of backlash currently for me to edit in DE, I'm waiting for things to settle a bit. Thx!
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Comment from Reclus
No, but there is for example MapRoulette which could help finding people to do it.
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Comment from nyuriks
I hope to use it, but it does not work with OSM object IDs. You cannot give it a set of OSM objects, and say that these tags are wrong, and should probably be another set - please confirm. You can give it a few broken polygons and tell people to fix it.
Ways (1)
- DHL (3079862950), v5
- 615194 (1678303005), v9
- 4069250987, v5
- U24147073 (2802266060), v8
- 2760185899 (2892188287), v7
- 2760123035 (4070058286), v2
- 4069426132, v4
- U72144913 (4070414452), v2
- 4069426133, v2
- 603211 (2517918885), v9
- 626906 (4058540279), v3
- 641554 (4042730765), v4
- 640375 (3350507086), v4
- 656482 (3506151124), v5
- 3788664555, v3
- 4069198099, v3
- 655104 (4058540276), v4
- 606654 (4058540281), v3
- 2325557045, v13
- U72144913 (4070414453), v2
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