Changeset: 39973486
farm, tracks, serviceways
Closed by kreuzschnabel
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created_by | JOSM/1.5 (10327 de) |
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source | Bing |
Discussion
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Comment from SomeoneElse
Personally, I wouldn't add "place=isolated_dwelling" for things such as http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4239537498 . If a house is visible on the Bing imagery I'd add that as a house, and if the name's visible on OS OpenData I might be tempted to add that as a house name, but house and farm name information on OSSV is so out of date that I'd definitely add a "source:addr:housename" or similar for it.
The nearby http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4239537556 might still be called that and might still be a farm, but many former farms house light industrial units or have become essentially residential. Bing here suggests "farm or light industrial" rather than "residential".
Best Regards,
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Comment from kreuzschnabel
Why wouldn’t you, too close to Thirsk? While I use addr:housename for residential houses within larger dwellings (e.g. villages), my idea on remote places is that users should easily find them in the map, therefore I enter their names as a place on its own (provided it has a name, of course). Am I right in thinking isolated_dwelling is for places which are too small even to be called a hamlet?
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Comment from SomeoneElse
There's a fair amount of overuse of "isolated_dwelling" in the UK (possibly because the standard style renders it, and used to render it more prominently than it did now). I've always thought of "isolated_dwelling" as being for places that really are places - not just houses on the outskirts of villages. Half way between Sutton and Thirsk isn't very isolated (I know the road well). There was some discussion on talk-gb about it relatively recently.
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Comment from kreuzschnabel
Possibly because there are so many scattered dwellings in the British countryside :-) As I said, in my idea on OSM usability, someone may tell me, "I live in Melrose, near Thirsk", I’ll reply, after a quick search, "yep, got it in my map, dont need further description". If this works on addr:housename as well with remote places, I’ll be happy to confine myself to more isolated places in using isolated_dwelling.
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Comment from SK53
Strongly agree with @SomeoneElse. The place=isolated_dwelling tag is almost always a mistake in Britain. For large distinctive isolated buildings (country houses for instance) adding name to the building is fine, for smaller residences this information belongs in addr:housename. Where an isolated dwelling is an actual topographic name use place=locality. Many 'isolated dwellings' these days are 2-3: say original farm house, the farm bungalow (warmer than former) and old workers cottages may all look to be one site, but the old house is a second home, the bungalow is where the famer lives, and the cottages are holiday lets. They're often hard to disentangle even by survey, so at a minimum a source tag is needed.
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Comment from GinaroZ
place=locality is for an unpopulated place though
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Comment from kreuzschnabel
Right Ginaro – locality is for named hillsides, pastures etcetera. (Hillsides are often tagged natural=peak which is wrong unless there really is a visible peak.)
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Comment from SK53
Don't be too wedded to wiki definitions. Often the locality name covers a broader area than just the buildings which have the same name. Sometimes the locality came first, sometimes the buildings. Unless one has detailed research/local knowledge it's not easy to decide & EPNS researchers spend years on such problems. Notwithstanding the wiki and mapping by abc* (often incorrect) use of place=isolated_dwelling is scarcely used in the UK. I would suggest further discussion for a wider audience on talk-gb.
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