Changeset: 41202315
Edited Palisades Park into component pieces
Closed by GwenDragoness
Tags
build | 2.4-21-g233799c |
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created_by | Potlatch 2 |
version | 2.4 |
Discussion
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Comment from Carnildo
There are some major problems with this edit:
1) Indian Canyon Park does not exist except on paper. On the ground, every entrance sign, boundary marker, and trailhead map calls it part of Palisades Park.
2) The boundaries you have for "Indian Canyon Park" don't match either the on-the-ground boundaries or the county's land-ownership records.
3) "Rimrock Conservation Area" has a slightly greater degree of existence, in the form of a sign in an adjacent parking lot, but the boundaries you have don't quite match either the county's records or the on-the-ground evidence (though admittedly, the northwestern boundary is rather fuzzy on the ground).
And, as a lesser issue, is there a reason why you re-classified the trail between Trail 120 and Rimrock Drive as a path?
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Comment from GwenDragoness
First the lesser matter: I reclassified the trail that connects from Rimrock Drive to Trail 120 (which I originally added to the map a few years ago), for two primary reasons. First, it is not one of the parks official trails, and is thus not marked, does not show up on the official maps, and is not on the community's radar when they do trail maintenance. Second, it is a rougher trail than most of the official trails in the park, with a few steep, narrow steps towards the top which some casual visitors to the park might want to avoid. However, it is still worth keeping on the map, because it does get a decent amount of use and is in a very convenient location. I live within a mile of the park, so this is all based on my personal observations.
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Comment from GwenDragoness
As for the rest of my edit, I am honestly unsure of what would be the best way to mark the park boundaries. From one perspective, the separate units have separate ownership and should be marked as separate entities, even if they are managed as a unit "Palisades Park" is not a true, singular park as far as the city or county are concerned. On the other hand, it *is* managed as a single unit by the community (by which I mean the Palisades NPO, a private organization).
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Comment from GwenDragoness
For the most part, I would be supportive of reverting my edit, except for two changes. First, the area approximately bounded by the railroad, Greenwood, and Trail 101 is private property, despite what the Palisades map says. I wasn't aware of this until recently when I ran into a man and his family building a shed there. The new boundaries are based both on my conversation with him and on the county maps for the component areas. The other change that I would like to keep is the change from the tag leisure:park to leisure:nature_reserve. An alternate tagging scheme with boundary=protected_area & protect_class=5 would also be (I think) correct. When I added Palisades Park a few years ago (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/16460492), I had not been aware of the correct usage of leisure:park.
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Comment from GwenDragoness
Thanks for bringing these things to my attention! It's good to know that I'm not alone in my efforts to map the area. I'm on a self-imposed break from mapping for a while, so you can make changes if you like, or I'll come back and fix everything up in a week.
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Comment from Carnildo
My personal choice would be to combine the Indian Canyon and Palisades sections under the name "Palisades Park" (since that's what's on all the signs), while leaving Rimrock Conservation Area.
Most of the Greenwood/101/Railroad area is legally part of Greenwood Cemetery, but is de-facto part of the park. The current boundary doesn't represent either the on-the-ground usage or the legal ownership, and I'd like to see the boundaries adjusted to match one or the other.
And finally, mapping a rough, unofficial trail is exactly what the "smoothness=very_bad" and "informal=yes" tags are for.
Ways (9)
- Rimrock Conservation Area (435373847), v1
- Palisades Park (435373848), v1
- Indian Canyon Park (435373849), v1
- Trail 102 (224809456), v7
- 403559179, v2
- 402084773, v2
227230386, v9416499448, v3403559159, v3
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