Changeset: 46761728
add to route of Watling Street
Closed by Dyserth
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Discussion
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Comment from trigpoint
Hi, what is the source of this information?
I have never seen any evidence for the existence of a Roman Road and find it highly unlikely that it followed the modern alignment of the A49 between Weston and Prees.
Also this type of information is more appropriate in OpenHistoricalMap rather then OSM. -
Comment from trigpoint
The North Shropshire section appears to be pure fiction, the Roman Road is only shown on your claimed source in very short sections. Where did the rest come from?
It is very unlikely that the Roman road followed the present roads through Shawbury.
I do not have a usable source but I do know it did not follow the modern A49 alignment between Lee Brockhurst and Prees, a route that would not have been possible before the invention of dynamite.
Splitting modern roads to facilitate this dubious unverifiable information makes mapping more difficult for local mappers who actually go out and survey their local area. -
Comment from Dyserth
Hi. Please see area around SJ55471 24483. Marked as Roman Road (Course of) on OS Map, northern section curves to the west near Moston Grange and follows the alignment of the unclassified road heading towards the A49 where it passes through the modern cutting.
This has been constructed at a naturally low saddle on the ridge and even without the modern cutting would have been a preferable place for the Roman road to traverse this obstacle.
Indeed the OS map records this to pass over the hill at this point, pre-dynamite or otherwise, continuing North-west and then North aligning with as section
of the B5065 where it meets the A49, approaching Prees. I've edited the relation to reflect this and added some ways along this alignment as I've only just found this source, so your comment has proved useful in prompting this. Thanks.
There is a recorded Roman settlement or posting station west of Harcourt Farm near this road's alignment. The southern end of the line marked as Roman Road (Course of) by OS is directly aligned with a section of the B5063, which in turn is marked as Roman Road (course of) on the OS 1:25k 1st Series 1937-61 Map
running south into Shawbury, passing Criftin Coppice and this alignment continues south of Shawbury on the unclassified road to Poynton Grange and by continuation of this alignment across level fields towards Roden. In view of the fact I cannot confirm from available sources that the stretch
from Poynton Grange to Roden lies in the exact position of the way - alignment may be off a little - I'll add "conjectural=yes" to the relation.
If OSM was an inappropriate place for this information, why do we have tags for historical and archaeological features, including "site_types"
such as "roman_road"?
Clearly this information is of value to be recorded here, and you are incorrect.
Finally I am unsure why you felt it appropriate to conclude your comments with an insult. -
Comment from trigpoint
Thank you for these updates, it does seem much more believable and there are references to the Roman Road on OS Opendata.
I would suggest that the route was not through Prees village but followed a straight line from the present junction with the B5065 via Prees Church which forms a straight line with the straight section of the A49 to the north.
At Mostyn the link would most likely have been via the old A49 alignment which is now marked on OSM as a track and would form a straight(ish) line though a natural gap linking your two sections together.
Sorry if you took my reference to armchair mapping as an insult, it was not intended to be personal. -
Comment from trigpoint
I should probably add that is is likely that the course of the road drifted over time and that up until WW2 this section of the A49 was a minor road which was upgraded as a bypass.
Ways (14)
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- Church Street (479871761), v1
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- Church Street (103169398), v8
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