Changeset: 55325959
Mount Cotton: realigned Eastern Escarpment Conservation Area, Sirromet and Sandy Creek Conservation Area boundaries using DCDB, and mapped more land
Closed by jonorossi
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Discussion
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Comment from TheSwavu
Hi,
Did you get permission to us DCDB in OSM?
If you did then please add an entry to:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Queensland_Government_data
with the correspondence and wavier form.
Otherwise please don't import this to OSM.
Thank you.
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Comment from jonorossi
The QLD DCDB Lite dataset is listed on that page under the "Commonwealth of Australia" section. It has also been used for a decade in OSM, just search for DCDB on the wiki. That page says it was licensed under CC-BY 2.5, newer copies are now under the CC-BY 4.0 license, explicit permission was also granted in 2009 according to this page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data.australia.gov.au/Queensland#Legal_Usage.
I'd like to see it mentioned on http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright along with CAPAD, still need to work out how because I read NSW might have opened theirs up too so they can join other countries.
I spent hours researching over quite a few weeks trying to make sure I was doing the right thing before starting, so please let me know if there is something more I can do.
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Comment from TheSwavu
Several problems:
1. The "permission" OSM received from Data Australia was worthless. A Commonwealth body does not have the legal right to sub-licence a state owned dataset. So we've never had permission to use this dataset.
2. Even if we did, the licence has now been changed and the permission would no longer be valid.
3. OSM now requires us to get a signed waiver to use CC4.0 datasets:
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/ -
Comment from jonorossi
Thanks for the info, that would have saved me so much time researching outdated text. I hadn't seen that blog post, I guess I didn't really consider this an "import" since I was only mapping ways I knew existed but wanted to get more accurate geometry, I guess the Contributions page is misleading/wrong then.
I can now see you personally obtained explicit permission from Department of the Environment and Energy (AU Gov). Unless you tell me otherwise I'll read through all that info and start to follow the process to get community buy in and obtain explicit permission.
If I'm unable to get explicit permission in a reasonable amount of time I'll revert my edits. Once I get this sorted I'll make sure to update those old wiki pages. Thanks.
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Comment from TheSwavu
Copying anything is an import. Doesn't matter how small.
It would appear that we haven't had much success in getting QLD to agree see this mail thread:
https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg10883.html
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Comment from jonorossi
Thanks Andrew, I understand copying anything requires permission I wrongly just didn't think it required the "importing" process probably because I was the one that originally drew these boundaries by tracing Bing.
Sorry for not replying sooner, my home internet was out for nearly a week with a line fault so was limping along on mobile data.
Since these polygons I've imported (and merged) haven't changed in the last 20 years (local knowledge) I'd like to keep them for now because I could just get a copy of the CC2.5 licensed file and do the same thing.
Let's continue the discussion on the mailing list as others are interested: https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg11003.html
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