Changeset: 60437750
Updates around Kandersteg
Closed by Stretch Longfellow
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Discussion
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Comment from dikkeknodel
Hi Stretch Longfellow,
Thank you for contributing to OpenStreetMap in Switzerland. I notice you changed quite a few tracks to footway and a via ferrata to a path. Could you please share your source for these edits?
Kind regards,
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Comment from Stretch Longfellow
I walked those paths.
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Comment from dikkeknodel
Hi Stretch Longfellow,
Thanks for the quick reply. I think you might need to read a bit on the wiki about the difference between a track [1] and a footway [2]. I was there Sunday and hiked [3], [4] and [5]. All these highways were about 4 m wide and on [3] and [4] there were even cars parked (I assume from the owners of the small pastures/farms along it) and at [5] there is a sign that motorized traffic is not permitted, but that doesn't make it a footway.
Hence also my doubts about the other highways you changed, but which I did not visit Sunday.
Could you explain your rationale for changing these highways?
Cheers,
dikkeknodel
[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway
[3] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/151190292
[4] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/151190293
[5] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/120925051 -
Comment from Stretch Longfellow
Maybe there is a better classification than the one I picked, but it was previously 'unmaintained track road' and that clearly does not fit at they are maintained.
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Comment from freebeer
Grabbing a random ex-track (well, the first) I see
Adressen eingetragen, Kandersteg, Ussere Ueschene
Edited over 1 year ago by Kurly
Version #8 ยท Changeset #46592851Tags
highway track
name Ueschenestrasse
surface asphalt
tracktype grade1There is no mention of unmaintained whatsoever above, so I am unclear how that has entered the conversation, and I need to find an escape from the heat a couple thousand metres lower (who am I kidding, the days are getting shorter and the sun sinks lower)
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Comment from dikkeknodel
Hi Stretch Longfellow
I was also a bit puzzled what you mean by 'unmaintained track road', but after some searching on wiki.openstreetmap.org it seems that this is a term used by iD editor. I even found a request to change the name on iD's github [1], but apparently there is some interpretation difference regarding this. The wiki page on track [2], however, does not mention at all whether there should be maintenance or not. Additionally, this 'unmaintained' does not mean that nothing is done to maintain the track, but that maintenance may take a while because there is no-one explicitly responsible for the maintenance. So basically the person bothered (most?) by the fallen tree lying on the track gets rid of that three. The others, by foot or bike probably, will just step over. That there was no tree on this road does not mean, that if a tree would fall, it would be immediately cleared.
Anyway, in Switzerland it is common to tag these mainly agricultural/forestry roads in the mountains as highway=track. I will therefore change them back to track, based on my survey last Sunday and the imagery that is available.
Cheers,
dikkeknodel
[1] https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4092
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack -
Comment from dikkeknodel
Maybe a tip for the track definition. The state of the track is defined by the track_type tag [1]. The tracks on this mountain also had this tag, for example [2] and [3] were tagged as grade4 and grade3, which is clearly not the right tagging, since they both have a decent gravel surface. A grade2 would fit much better. Maybe this is also the crux at the discussion about 'unmaintained' part of a track.
Cheers,
dikkeknodel
[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype
[2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/151190293
[3] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/612219676
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